Re: order of covariate inclusion

From: Leonid Gibiansky Date: September 25, 2003 technical Source: cognigencorp.com
From: lgibiansky@emmes.com Subject: [NMusers] Re: order of covariate inclusion Date: 9/25/2003 2:25 PM Pete, Let's first define what is "significant". In NONMEM discussions, significant means that the difference in objective function between the nested models is less then significance threshold delta. If you test base (with objective function OFbase) base + age (OFage) base + weight (OFweight) and see that OFbase - OFage > delta, OFbase- OFweight > delta and OFage > OFweight, you include weight into the model (because weight provides you with the lower objective function). Then you test base + weight + age (OFboth) If OFweight - OFboth < delta, you do not include age into the model. If OFweight - OFboth > delta, you include age into the model in addition to weight. End of the forward addition procedure. Note that the end of forward addition procedure may or may not coincide with the end of modeling process. You may found out that although the model with age and weight gives you better OF that weight alone, the standard errors of the estimates (for coefficients that describe covariates) increase dramatically, leading to the model instability due to collaterality of covariates. Then you need to decide (and as far as I know, there are no formal rules how to do it) whether to include extra covariate into the model and accept large uncertainty of the parameter estimates or use fewer covariates with larger confidence in the parameters. Leonid
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