RE: ETABAR p-value

From: Mats Karlsson Date: February 20, 2007 technical Source: mail-archive.com
Dear Leonid, The etabar test is a t-test of the mean of the posthoc etas. I would not discard a model just because of this not being the case as there may be other reasons than misspecification for a no-zero mean of posthoc etas. Only when data are very rich and there is no shrinkage (or when eta shrinkage is identically large for both positive and negative etas) would we expect the mean of posthoc etas to be zero. Best regards, Mats Mats Karlsson, PhD Professor of Pharmacometrics Div. of Pharmacokinetics and Drug Therapy Dept. of Pharmaceutical Biosciences Faculty of Pharmacy Uppsala University Box 591 SE-751 24 Uppsala Sweden phone +46 18 471 4105 fax +46 18 471 4003 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonid Gibiansky Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 18:25 To: [email protected] Subject: [NMusers] ETABAR p-value Dear All, Could anyone help me to interpret ETAbar p value? I have: TOT. NO. OF OBS RECS: 1486 TOT. NO. OF INDIVIDUALS: 213 ETABAR: -0.52E-02 -0.27E-01 -0.93E-01 P VAL.: 0.90E+00 0.24E+00 0.81E-04 ETA1 ETA2 ETA3 ETA1 4.08E-01 ETA2 2.26E-01 2.31E-01 ETA3 0.00E+00 0.00E+00 9.70E-01 which looks too low for me for eta3. I checked that p of abs(mean(eta)) > 0.093 is about 0.17 for normally distributed variable with SD=sqrt(0.97) and about 200 patients. > sum1 <- 0 > for(i in 1:1000000) if(abs(mean(rnorm(213,0,sqrt(0.97))))> 0.093) sum1 <- sum1+1 > print(sum1/1000000) [1] 0.168624 How exactly this p-value is computed (NONMEM V) ? Thanks Leonid
Feb 20, 2007 Leonid Gibiansky ETABAR p-value
Feb 20, 2007 Mats Karlsson RE: ETABAR p-value
Feb 21, 2007 Lars Erichsen RE: ETABAR p-value
Feb 21, 2007 Mats Karlsson RE: ETABAR p-value
Feb 21, 2007 Serge Guzy RE: ETABAR p-value
Feb 22, 2007 Majid . Vakily RE: ETABAR p-value
Feb 23, 2007 Martin Bergstrand RE: ETABAR p-value