Dear NM users,
Many PK-PD articles reported the effect of placebo or drug to
the baseline value to be
1. Additive: Baseline- Placebo
effect - Drug effect
2. Proportiona: Baseline*(1- Placebo
effect)*(1-Drug effect)
However, I have not come across any literature with combined
approach of additive and proportional treatment effect e.g
(Baseline- Placebo effect)*(1-Drug effect)
Based on the initial dose-response relationship analysis using
longitudinal data, combined additive placebo effect and proportional drug
effect (Baseline- Placebo effect)*(1-Drug effect) resulted in lowest OFV,
good parameter
estimates and better Goodness of fit plots compared to the above 2 approaches.
I would like to seek your opinion on combined approach in PKPD modeling.
Thanking you,
Best Regards,
Venkatesh Pilla Reddy
PhD Fellow,
Dept. of Pharmacokinetics, Toxicology and Targeting,
University of Groningen,
Antonius Deusinglaan 1,
9713 AV Groningen, The Netherlands
Email: [email protected]
Effect of placebo or drug to the baseline value
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Latest: Aug 12, 2010
Hi Venkatesh,
I think it is reasonable to postulate models with combined additive and
proportional effects as long as they are supported by the data. You may
wish to generate some graphical diagnostics to support your structural model
choice in addition to the OFV (especially since these different structural
forms are not hierarchical). For example, to illustrate that Baseline and
Placebo responses are additive where Y=B - P, you could plot change from
baseline (i.e. D=Y - B versus B for the placebo group and show that there is
no trend across subjects. If there is a trend such that the delta increases
with baseline then perhaps a multiplicative relationship exists. If
Baseline and Placebo effects are multiplicative where Y = B*(1-P) then a
plot of Y/B (or P=1-Y/B) versus B should show no trend.
You could do a similar graphical diagnostic for drug effect but it's much
harder to evaluate if you don't have crossover data where the same patient
receives both placebo and active drug treatments. Assuming you do have
crossover data and for each subject you have a baseline response for placebo
(Bpbo) and active treatment (Btrt) and post-baseline responses for placebo
(Ypbo) and active treatment (Ytrt), then for your combined additive and
proportional model you have
Ypbo = (Bbpo - P) and
Ytrt = (Btrt - P)*(1-D).
We can solve for P in the first equation to obtain P = Bpbo - Ypbo. Now
substitute for P in the second equation and solve for D and you get
D = [(Ypbo - Bpbo) - (Ytrt - Btrt)]/[(Ypbo - Bpbo) + Btrt] and if you plot
this versus baseline (for Bpbo or Btrt) it should not show a trend across
subjects. You can contrast this with a similar approach for the fully
additive model where Y = B - P - D and show that D=(Ypbo - Bpbo) - (Ytrt -
Btrt) for the additive model. Thus, if a plot of (Ypbo - Bpbo) - (Ytrt -
Btrt) versus baseline (for Bpbo or Btrt) shows a trend and a plot of [(Ypbo
- Bpbo) - (Ytrt - Btrt)]/[(Ypbo - Bpbo) + Btrt] versus baseline does not,
then I think you have a graphical diagnostic to illustrate/support your
choice of using the combined additive and proportional model. If you have
longitudinal data you may want to generate such a plot by time point and if
you have more than one active dose level you may want to generate such plots
for each dose.
I hope this helps.
Kind regards,
Ken
Kenneth G. Kowalski
President & CEO
A2PG - Ann Arbor Pharmacometrics Group, Inc.
110 E. Miller Ave., Garden Suite
Ann Arbor, MI 48104
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Cell: 248-207-5082
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Dear NM users,
Many PK-PD articles reported the effect of placebo or drug to the baseline
value to be
1. Additive: Baseline- Placebo effect - Drug effect
2. Proportiona: Baseline*(1- Placebo effect)*(1-Drug effect)
However, I have not come across any literature with combined approach of
additive and proportional treatment effect e.g
(Baseline- Placebo effect)*(1-Drug effect)
Based on the initial dose-response relationship analysis using longitudinal
data, combined additive placebo effect and proportional drug effect
(Baseline- Placebo effect)*(1-Drug effect) resulted in lowest OFV, good
parameter estimates and better Goodness of fit plots compared to the above 2
approaches.
I would like to seek your opinion on combined approach in PKPD modeling.
Thanking you,
Best Regards,
Venkatesh Pilla Reddy
PhD Fellow,
Dept. of Pharmacokinetics, Toxicology and Targeting,
University of Groningen,
Antonius Deusinglaan 1,
9713 AV Groningen, The Netherlands
Email: [email protected]