Am I interpreting THETA(1) incorrectly?

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Am I interpreting THETA(1) incorrectly?

From: Doug J. Eleveld Date: March 24, 2005 technical
From: Eleveld, DJ d.j.eleveld@anest.umcg.nl Subject: Am I interpreting THETA(1) incorrectly? Date: Thu, March 24, 2005 9:04 am Hello NONMEM users, I am a NONMEM beginner and am trying some prelimiary tests and have found an (at least to me) confusing result. Possibly a more experienced NONMEM user can explain the situation. We have parameters that are log-normally distributed using V1=THETA(1)*EXP(ETA(1)) in the $PK section. From this notation it seems to me that the estimated value for THETA(1) should be the geometric mean value of the individual V1 values. However when I do POSTHOC to get the individual V1 values, the geometric mean of these values is different than the estimated typical V1 value (i.e. THETA(1)). Can someone explain why this occurs? as the estimated geometric mean of the parameter population values? As an aside the data I am fitting comes from a monte-carlo simulation and the geometric-mean of the POSTHOC individual parameter values is closer to the 'real' values than the THETA values. Thank you, Doug

Re: Am I interpreting THETA(1) incorrectly?

From: Liping Zhang Date: March 24, 2005 technical
From: "Liping Zhang" ZHANG_LIPING@lilly.com Subject: [NMusers] Re: Am I interpreting THETA(1) incorrectly? Date: Thu, March 24, 2005 10:28 am Doug, there is nothing mystery here. Just like if you random sample 10 normally distributed numbers with mean equal to 0, the mean of these ten numbers are not likely to be 0. Theta would be equal to the geometric mean of the posthoc individual parameter if posthoc individual parameters are log normal distributed and truly represented the distribution (theoretically you need infinite sample size). As for why the geometric mean of posthoc individual parameters are closer to the real values of theta, this could be caused by mere chance. You could do experiment: simulation different set of data and then compare the two. Liping Zhang, PhD Global PK/PD Modeling and Trial Simulation ELi Lilly & Company Work: 317-277-8687 Fax: 317-433-6661 DC 0734 Email: zhang_liping@lilly.com _______________________________________________________ F