RE: post-ACoP: How to train future pharmacometricians

From: Holly Kimko Date: October 18, 2009 event Source: mail-archive.com
Dear all, I appreciate the calls, private emails and postings on this topic. I am surely not a lonely dreamer - specially with internet. :-) Thank you. I see the points discussed by Rob, Steve and three others (private communications) as academicians. Some relevant topics are also discussed very nicely in the paper titled: Pharmacometrics: A Multidisciplinary Field to Facilitate Critical Thinking in Drug Development and Translational Research Settings - Barrett et al. (Clin Pharmacol 2008;48:632-649). While reading those messages, I had to think about the definition of "pharmacometrician" again. To me, it means a person who analyzes drug-related data ("pharma") in a quantitative way ("metric") - especially those who uses subjects of quantitative pharmacology, pharmacokinetics, pharmacodynamics, disease progress model and protocol adherence model with a focus on populations and variability via stochastic simulations, applicable in drug development. In my previous posting, my "pharmacometrician" was partially those who are in specific fields of pharmacology (=drug exposure effect), because I was thinking of the students from the local Pharmacy school whose thesis projects are cell biology, transporters, etc. Some of them will find jobs in pharmaceutical industry. The target is anybody who wants to know more about Pharmacometrics at his/her position without quitting the current job as a student or an employee to spend a certain period of time to get a certificate or a diploma. I am not sure how many students or employees in small pharma companies can afford such a nice training opportunity in terms of money and time. They have to start small. Later when they see a strong necessity, they may go for the opportunity. Fortunately, I was contacted by a person who had similar experiences as mine in a local university. We need some good ideas on how to fill up this niche. It may take a long time, but as he said, "I am stubborn and I want to do something <about quantitative pharmacology/pharmacometrics training>." Thanks, Holly
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kimko, Holly [PRDUS] Sent: 12 October 2009 18:19 To: [email protected] Subject: [NMusers] post-ACoP: How to train future pharmacometricians Hello: I attended the ACoP last week, where we talked about how to train future pharmacometricians - http://www.go-acop.org/acop2009/program Here is my thought I could not share due to lack of time during the meeting. Local scientists in NJ area teach PK, PD and some basic M&S at a Pharmacy school for undergraduate and graduate students. Last year when I taught population analysis for 4 hours straight (with 10 minutes of bio-break) to the graduate students, they clearly showed their interest to learn, and we ended up going over the teaching material 1 more hour without any complaint from about 15 students. Of course, I emphasized the usefulness of the knowledge in getting an industry job at the beginning of the lecture. We also have tried to form a full M&S graduate course at the school, but it has been difficult because of the fact that most of the faculties at the school have more pharmacology / pharmacogenomics oriented research interests, hence less interest in pharmacometrics: students need professors who can guide M&S exercises at school, not just adjunct professors who visits now and then.... So... I wonder if we can extend this NJ example to a Global University where Pharmacometrics - at least, concept - can be taught free of charge to students all over the world by pharmacometricians in industry, academia and regulatory agencies. Later, we may further consider to have a one-to-one mentoring program. AAPS supports webinars on many interesting topics. Maybe ACoP can support pharmacometrics webinar? Maybe National Science Foundation? Or, Bill Gates? :-) Best wishes, Holly Huicy Kimko P.S.: Let's dream first... a good one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_km0u64OLng
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