RE: VPC appropriateness in complex PK

From: Yaning Wang Date: September 21, 2009 technical Source: cognigen.com
In my opinion, the concentration data after dose adaptation should not be simulated based on the adaptive algorithm implemented in the original design. Using the simple but extreme case proposed by Leonid, i.e. all patients were targeting a common concentration level with no or small residual variability and no or small inter-occasion variability. For example, under iv infusion, the target is Css of 100ng/ml. All patients start with the same infusion rate and the infusion rate will be adjusted after steady state is achieved. For patient A, if the Css under the initial infusion rate is 50ng/ml, then double the infusion rate. For patient B, if the Css under the initial infusion rate is 200ng/ml, reduce the infusion rate by half. After dose adaption, every one should hit 100ng/ml. Then no matter what the model is, all the simulated concentrations after dose adaptation will hit the same target (matching exactly the observed data) if the original adaptive algorithm is used in simulation. In this case, there is no way the structure model can be wrong because it is very simple (R/CLi). But imagine we fit an exponential between-subject variability model to a log-normally distributed CLi. Then using the exponential distribution to simulate CLi and then adjust individual infusion rate accordingly. All patients will still hit 100ng/ml after dose adjustment. Of course, one can argue the pre-adaptation concentration should pick up the mis-specification. The point is that post-adaption data cannot be simulated based on the adaptive algorithm. On the other hand, simulation can be done based on original adapted doses ("obtained from the CRF") assuming the whole set of simulated individuals will also take the exact dose sequence that was taken by one specific individual in the trial. The only difference among these individuals will be due to the random between-subject variation on PK parameters. SVPC or PDE should still show uniform distribution even for those post-adaption data (even if all observed data are 100ng/ml). Yaning Wang, Ph.D. Team Leader, Pharmacometrics Office of Clinical Pharmacology Office of Translational Science Center for Drug Evaluation and Research U.S. Food and Drug Administration Phone: 301-796-1624 Email: yaning.wang "The contents of this message are mine personally and do not necessarily reflect any position of the Government or the Food and Drug Administration."
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-----Original Message----- From: owner-nmusers On Behalf Of Nick Holford Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 1:54 AM To: nmusers Subject: Re: [NMusers] VPC appropriateness in complex PK Hi, Like Leonid, I am having trouble understanding how trials originally conducted with adaptive designs can be used for predictive checks if the simulation dose regimen is not based on the randomly assigned individual PK parameters. If the original adapted doses ("obtained from the CRF") are used then the simulated concentrations will not approach the adaptive design target as they would have done in the original data. Thus the distribution of simulated concentrations will be wider than the distribution of observed concentrations (see Bergstrand et al 2009 Example 3 left hand plot). Traditional visual predictive checks using the original doses will clearly show that the distributions of observations and simulated concentrations are different and would wrongly reject an adequate PK model. I would expect methods based on statistical predictive checks (PDE (including SVPC), NPDE) would detect that the distribution of prediction discrepancies is not as expected (uniform for PDE; normal for NPDE) and also wrongly reject an adequate PK model. PRED-corrected VPCs will not detect a difference between the PRED-corrected simulated concentrations and the PRED-corrected observations. This is because the PRED correction process is equivalent to normalizing all subjects to the same dose at each time point. For a linear PK model the variability in concs will have all the dose information removed and thus the adaptive changes in dose become irrelevant. Note that the PRED-corrected 'observations' will be quite different from the original observations and the trend of the PRED-corrected 'observations' variability will be quite unlike that seen in the data (see Bergstrand et al 2009 Example 3 right hand plot). This could be confusing but it should not lead to wrongly rejecting an adequate model. If the simulations are done using an adaptive dosing algorithm that is similar to that used in the original study then the statistical predictive checks and visual predictive checks (without or with PRED-correction) should not reject an adequate PK model. A non-PRED-corrected visual predictive check (NPC-VPC) should also correctly represent the actual observations and the simulated distributions if it used an adaptive dosing model. I think this is a key difference between the empirical PRED-corrected and mechanism based adaptive dose model approaches to a VPC. The mechanism based approach gives more visual reassurance that the combined models i.e. the PK model and the adaptive dosing model, can describe the data. This will give visual support for using the model combination for future trial simulations. The empirical PRED-corrected VPC does not give this kind of support for future use of the PK model under an adaptive design scenario. Nick Bergstrand M, Hooker AC, Wallin JE, Karlsson MO. Prediction corrected visual predictive checks http://www.go-acop.org/acop2009/posters ACOP. 2009.
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