RE: VPC appropriateness in complex PK

From: Martin Bergstrand Date: September 18, 2009 technical Source: mail-archive.com
Dear Dider, In my opinion the PAGE 2009 abstract by Diane Wang does highlight weaknesses with the standard VPC under certain circumstances. However, I don't think that the SVPC represent the answer to those weaknesses. Prediction corrected VPCs (PC-VPCs) are a better way of addressing these issues and was first mentioned in the Karlsson and Holford tutorial on VPCs at PAGE 2008 ( http://www.page-meeting.org/pdf_assets/8694-Karlsson_Holford_VPC_Tutorial_h ires.pdf). A poster on the PC-VPCs principle and the advantage with these is submitted to the ACoP conference (October 2009). A two page abstract regarding that poster is available already now via the ACoP webpage ( http://www.go-acop.org/acop2009/posters - Title: "Prediction Corrected Visual Predictive Checks" Authors: Martin Bergstrand, Andrew C. Hooker, Johan E. Wallin, Mats O. Karlsson). Please have a look at this abstract and contact me if you have any further questions. Kind regards, Martin Bergstrand, MSc, PhD student ----------------------------------------------- Pharmacometrics Research Group, Department of Pharmaceutical Biosciences, Uppsala University ----------------------------------------------- P.O. Box 591 SE-751 24 Uppsala Sweden ----------------------------------------------- <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] ----------------------------------------------- Work: +46 18 471 4639 Mobile: +46 709 994 396 Fax: +46 18 471 4003
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dider Heine Sent: den 18 september 2009 17:54 To: [email protected] Subject: [NMusers] VPC appropriateness in complex PK Dear NMusers: The Visual predictive check (VPC, http://www.page-meeting.org/page/page2005/PAGE2005P105.pdf , and JPKPD, Volume 35, Number 2 / April, 2008) has been touted as a useful tool for assessing the perfomance of population pharmacokinetic models. However I recently came across this abstract from the 2009 PAGE meeting: http://www.page-meeting.org/pdf_assets/4050-Standardized%20Visual%20Predicti ve%20Check%20in%20Model%20Evaluation%20-%20PAGE2009%20submit.pdf . This abstract states that situations when VPC is not feasible but a "Standardized Visual Predictive Check (SVPC) can be used are as follows: - Patients received individualized dose or there are a small number of patients per dose group and PK or PD is nonlinear, thus observations can not be normalized for dose - There are multiple categorical covariate effects on PK or PD parameters - Covariate is a continuous variable which made stratification impossible - Study design and execution varies among individuals, such as adaptive design, difference in dosing schedule, dose changes and dosing time varies during study, protocol violations - Different concomitant medicines and food intake among individuals when there are drug-drug interactions and food effect on PK However, the original VPC articles seem to suggest that these are the exact situations when the VPC alone is an ideal tool for model validation. Is there any justification for one approach over the other? Has anyone ever seen an SVPC utilized elsewhere, I have found nothing. Are these truly weaknesses of a VPC? Cheers! Dider
Sep 18, 2009 Dider Heine VPC appropriateness in complex PK
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