Simulation problems

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Simulation problems

From: Toufigh Gordi Date: February 04, 2004 technical
From: Toufigh Gordi - tgordi@buffalo.edu Subject: [NMusers] Simulation problems Date: 2/4/2004 4:54 PM Dear all, I am trying to simulate oral dosing of a compound following a bi-exponential decline with saturable CL and its binding to receptors, which is described by a simple E-max model. Part of the control stream is given here: COMP=(GUT DEFDOSE) COMP=CENT COMP=PERIPH $PK VM=THETA(1)*EXP(ETA(1)) KM=THETA(2) V1=THETA(3)*EXP(ETA(2)) Q=THETA(4) V2=THETA(5)*EXP(ETA(3)) S2=V1 BASE=THETA(6) IMAX=THETA(7) IC50=THETA(8) KA=THETA(9) F1=0.6 $DES CON=A(2)/V1 DADT(1)=-KA*A(1) DADT(2)=KA*A(1)-A(2)*(VM/(KM+CON))/V1-A(2)*Q/V1+A(3)*Q/V2 DADT(3)=A(2)*Q/V1-A(3)*Q/V2 $ERROR CONC=F LAM=BASE-(IMAX*CONC/(IC50+CONC)) IF (PKPD.EQ.2) THEN Y=LAM ELSE Y=CONC+EPS(1) ENDIF $THETA (7.98 FIXED) ;1 VM $THETA (11.1 FIXED) ;2 KM $THETA (41.9 FIXED) ;3 V1 $THETA (0.395 FIXED) ;4 Q $THETA (39.2 FIXED) ;5 V2 $THETA (54.8 FIXED) ;6 BASE $THETA (53.7 FIXED) ;7 IMAX $THETA (0.579 FIXED) ;8 IC50 $THETA (0.01 FIXED) ;9 KA $OMEGA 0.0791 FIX ;1 IIV VM $OMEGA 0.0181 FIX ;2 IIV V1 $OMEGA 0.0918 FIX ;3 IIV V2 ;$OMEGA 0.00328 FIX ;4 IIV BASE ;$OMEGA 0.00424 FIX ;5 IIV IMAX ;$OMEGA 0.888 FIX ;6 IIV IC50 $SIGMA 0 FIX ;4 ADD ERROR PK All fixed values beside the bioavilability (0.6) and ka are model estimates using data from single iv doses. The problem I encounter is that when ka is increased to, let's say 0.03 or higher, the simulation results in a Fortran message of overflow. The model works, however below this value, or if no ETAs are presented on the PD parameters. Increasing dose will also result in success with higher ka values. My guess is that ETAs make the model unstable and result in a division by zero somewhere. My first question is how to fix the problem. The second is if there is any understandable reason for why ka should be the cause of the model collapse. Best regards, Toufigh Gordi

RE: Simulation problems

From: Leonid Gibiansky Date: February 05, 2004 technical
From: Leonid Gibiansky - lgibiansky@emmes.com Subject: RE: [NMusers] Simulation problems Date: 2/5/2004 9:17 AM Toufigh, Just to be sure, I would define (in the ERROR block) CONC=A(2)/V1 Also, the model as you described does not contain ETAs on PD parameters, so it works according to your message. Could you show the model that have problems ? The only place that can lead to overflow is the ERROR-block division by (IC50+CONC) You may try DEN = (IC50+CONC) IF(DEN .LT. 0.00001) DEN = 0.00001 LAM=BASE-IMAX*CONC/DEN and see what happens. Leonid

RE: Simulation problems

From: Toufigh Gordi Date: February 05, 2004 technical
From: Toufigh Gordi - tgordi@buffalo.edu Subject: RE: [NMusers] Simulation problems Date: 2/5/2004 9:52 AM Dear Leonid, After pushing the send button yesterday, I realized that the model, as presented, works. What doesn't work is if you add: *EXP(ETA(x)) to BASE, IMAX, and IC50, respectively, where x would be 4, 5, or 6. I have now done as you suggested and the full model I try to simulate is given below. It works now, with or without a lower limit on DEN. It seems that the problem was created by: CONC=F Once this line was gone, everything works. Thanks for the advice. Toufigh $PROB ALL DOSES ; 2-COMP $INPUT ID AMT DATE=DROP TIME DV EVID CMT PKPD $DATA scpkpdsim.csv IGNORE=# $SUBROUTINE ADVAN9 TRANS1 TOL=5 $MODEL NCOMP=3 COMP=(SC DEFDOSE) COMP=CENT COMP=PERIPH $PK VM=THETA(1)*EXP(ETA(1)) KM=THETA(2) V1=THETA(3)*EXP(ETA(2)) Q=THETA(4) V2=THETA(5)*EXP(ETA(3)) S2=V1 BASE=THETA(6)*EXP(ETA(4)) IMAX=THETA(7)*EXP(ETA(5)) IC50=THETA(8)*EXP(ETA(6)) KA=THETA(9) F1=0.6 $DES CON=A(2)/V1 DADT(1)=-KA*A(1) DADT(2)=KA*A(1)-A(2)*(VM/(KM+CON))/V1-A(2)*Q/V1+A(3)*Q/V2 DADT(3)=A(2)*Q/V1-A(3)*Q/V2 $ERROR CONC=A(2)/V1 ; CONC=F DEN=(IC50+CONC) ; IF(DEN.LT.0.00001) DEN=0.00001 LAM=BASE-(IMAX*CONC/DEN) IF (PKPD.EQ.2) THEN Y=LAM ELSE Y=CONC+EPS(1) ENDIF $THETA (7.98 FIXED) ;1 VM $THETA (11.1 FIXED) ;2 KM $THETA (41.9 FIXED) ;3 V1 $THETA (0.395 FIXED) ;4 Q $THETA (39.2 FIXED) ;5 V2 $THETA (54.8 FIXED) ;6 BASE $THETA (53.7 FIXED) ;7 IMAX $THETA (0.579 FIXED) ;8 IC50 $THETA (0.1 FIXED) ;9 KA $OMEGA 0.0791 FIX ;1 IIV VM $OMEGA 0.0181 FIX ;2 IIV V1 $OMEGA 0.0918 FIX ;3 IIV V2 $OMEGA 0.00328 FIX ;4 IIV BASE $OMEGA 0.00424 FIX ;5 IIV IMAX $OMEGA 0.888 FIX ;6 IIV IC50 $SIGMA 0 FIX ;4 ADD ERROR PK $SIMULATION (20031840) ONLYSIM $TABLE ID TIME CONC LAM Y PKPD CMT NOPRINT ONEHEADER FILE=SDTAB201 _______________________________________________________