Re: Fwd: T in $DES

From: Alex Zheng Date: July 08, 2021 technical Source: cognigen.com
Hi Jakob, My guess is that the differential equations are solved in the numeric ODE solver, so that the variable T is updated in each iteration of the estimation step. For time zero, the variable T is not updated because the value is supposed to be the initial value, which probably results in getting the value computed in the last iteration. This is just my theory. Best wishes, Han Zheng MD, PhD Shanghai BioGuider Medical Technology Co., Ltd.
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On 6 July 2021 at 10:54:45 pm, Matts Kågedal (mattskagedal wrote: Thanks Jakob and Dennis for helpful comments! I think the model is doing what it should. My problem is that I don't get an accurate output of the covariate prediction at time zero when computed inside $DES based on T_DAY (where T_DAY=T). As a workaround I now also derive the predicted covariate value in $PK based on TIME (from the dataset) just for output in $TABLE. This seems to be working. Thanks, Matts On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 3:15 PM Jakob Ribbing <jakob.ribbing > wrote: > Dear Matts, > > Did you get funny results in the way that using T_DAY did now work as > intended? > If you are unsure you could set up a simple test where you have the > analytical solution to the output, as an initial confirmation. > > Otherwise, for models integrating forward in time, a covariate value at > time zero (or subjects first time point) would not have an impact on the > model fit or parameter value, as nonmem would look forward towards the ne xt > record in time. > $DES isspecial since the solver may move back and forth and time is > updated in-between data records, but what you try to do may still work fi ne. > The output in the table at time zero would be the subject’s last value > because it has not yet entered $DES at time zero, but integrating forward > that should not impact the fit (I believe). > > Best regards > > Jakob > > > > > On 6 Jul 2021, at 14:44, Matts Kågedal <mattskagedal e: > > Hi all, > I have a question regaring T in $DES. > I have a time-varying covariate that is derived based on an explicit > equation and then use in a differential equation. > I got some funny results in the output table and investigated a bit > further. > > I therefore derived T_DAY=T in $DES as below and output it in $TABLE. > Why is T_DAY at TIME=0 equal to the time of the last observation for th e > patient? I was expecting it to be Zero (same as Time). Seems to be the sa me > for all IDs in the dataset. > Below is the output created in $TABLE including the "derived" variable > T_DAY. > Any advice would be appreciated. > Matts Kågedal > > <image.png> > > <image.png> > > > > *This communication is confidential and is only intended for the use of > the individual or entity to which it is directed. It may contain > information that is privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicabl e > law. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. > Please do not copy it or disclose its contents to any other person.* > *Any personal data will be processed in accordance with Pharmetheus' > privacy notice, available here https://pharmetheus.com/privacy-policy/. * >
Jul 06, 2021 Matts Kågedal Fwd: T in $DES
Jul 06, 2021 Jakob Ribbing Re: Fwd: T in $DES
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Jul 08, 2021 Alex Zheng Re: Fwd: T in $DES
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Jul 11, 2021 Alison Boeckmann Re: T in $DES