RE: OMEGA matrix

From: Doug J. Eleveld Date: September 25, 2014 technical Source: mail-archive.com
Hi Pavel, My question is: Why is it desirable to fit a complete omega matrix if its physical interpretation is unclear? Etas are variation of unknown origin i.e. not explained by the structural model. A full omega matrix allows the unknown variation of one paramater to have a (linear?) relationship with some other thing that is also unknown. If unknown A is found to have a linear relationship with unknown B, then what knowlegde is gained? I do think it can be instructive to to look at correlations and use this information to make a better structural model. But I think diagonal OMEGA matrix is more desirable if it works ok. warm regards, Douglas Eleveld
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________________________________________ From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on behalf of Pavel Belo [[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [NMusers] OMEGA matrix Hello Nonmem Community, It seems like NONMEM developers may advise to start with full OMEGA matrix at the beginning of model development. Monolix developers may advise to start with a diagonal matrix. Is there something different in NONMEM SAEM algorithms that makes model stable when a lot of statistically insignificant correlations/covariances are estimated in the model? It seems like NONMEM SAEM can be very stable in very “hard cases” (a lot of outliers, partially misspecified model, overparameterized model, etc.). The omega matrix is a part of the puzzle. When it is impossible to test every correlation coefficient for significance due to some limitations, it becomes a regulatory issue. We may need to be able to make a statement that the model is safe and sound even when OMEGA matrix can be overparameterized (tries to estimate too many insignificant parameters within the OMEGA matrix). Kind regards, Pavel ________________________________
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