Re: medians of the simulation in VPC are systematically below the medians of the observations when the model fit looks fine.

From: Nick Holford Date: February 04, 2012 technical Source: mail-archive.com
Shirley, IPREDs are notoriously unreliable for model evaluation (Holford 2005) especially if there is more than 25% shrinkage (Karlsson & Savic 2007). The VPC, although not without pitfalls, is more likely to be showing you how well your model is performing (Bergstrand et al. 2011). If there is a systematic under-prediction of the observations then you should consider reasons why this might be and try another model to test your ideas. I am afraid I have no idea what you mean by a 'non-compartment model' in this context. Nick Holford NHG. The visual predictive check – superiority to standard diagnostic (Rorschach) plots [www.page-meeting.org/?abstract=738]. PAGE. 2005;14. Karlsson MO, Savic RM. Diagnosing model diagnostics. Clin Pharmacol Ther. 2007;82(1):17-20. Bergstrand M, Hooker AC, Wallin JE, Karlsson MO. Prediction-corrected visual predictive checks for diagnosing nonlinear mixed-effects models. AAPS J. 2011;13(2):143-51.
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On 4/02/2012 11:48 a.m., Hou, Xiaoli Shirley wrote: > Dear All, > > I have built a non-compartment model, in which the medians of IPREDs and Observations are very close. But in VPCplot, the medians of simulations are systematically below the mediansof observations > > Any idea why it happens? > > Thanks. > > Shirley > > Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains > information of Merck & Co., Inc. (One Merck Drive, Whitehouse Station, > New Jersey, USA 08889), and/or its affiliates Direct contact information > for affiliates is available at > http://www.merck.com/contact/contacts.html) that may be confidential, > proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely > for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are > not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, > please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete it from > > your system. -- Nick Holford, Professor Clinical Pharmacology Dept Pharmacology& Clinical Pharmacology, Bldg 505 Room 202D University of Auckland,85 Park Rd,Private Bag 92019,Auckland,New Zealand tel:+64(9)923-6730 fax:+64(9)373-7090 mobile:+64(21)46 23 53 email: [email protected] http://www.fmhs.auckland.ac.nz/sms/pharmacology/holford
Feb 03, 2012 Xiaoli Shirley Hou medians of the simulation in VPC are systematically below the medians of the observations when the model fit looks fine.
Feb 04, 2012 Nick Holford Re: medians of the simulation in VPC are systematically below the medians of the observations when the model fit looks fine.
Feb 06, 2012 Kenneth Kowalski RE: medians of the simulation in VPC are systematically below the medians of the observations when the model fit looks fine.