Re: Bootstrap in combination with PRIOR?

From: Leonid Gibiansky Date: December 22, 2011 technical Source: mail-archive.com
Jacob, Bootstrap procedure vary only the new data. The information in priors is still the same. Therefore, results will be as dependent on the priors as the parameter estimates of the final model. When the priors are strong (informative) it would require a lot of new data to move the parameters of the final model and the parameter estimates of each of the bootstrap samples. In the extreme case of the very strong priors (e.g., when the parameters are simply fixed) parameters of all bootstrap samples will also be fixed at the same values. Since the results are dependent of the strength (informative content) of priors, I doubt that any conclusions can be made about each particular case based on the other-people examples. This is likely to be decided on the case-by-case basis. Nonmem standard errors are usually in a good agreement with the bootstrap results. Therefore, influence of the priors on the parameter estimates (precision) can be evaluated using the standard errors (much quicker than running bootstrap multiple times with different prior values). Extreme test would be to run the model without priors, and see how this would influence the confidence intervals. Regards, Leonid -------------------------------------- Leonid Gibiansky, Ph.D. President, QuantPharm LLC web: www.quantpharm.com e-mail: LGibiansky at quantpharm.com tel: (301) 767 5566
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On 12/22/2011 7:58 AM, Brogren Jacob wrote: > Dear nmusers, > > Merry Holiday! (you may change the variable ‘Holiday’ to an arbitrary value) > > First, accept my humble excuse – I can’t share any code for this example. > > I’m assessing a model where $PRIOR is used to stabilize the fit of an > ‘old’ model to sparse data using NONMEM. It seems to be the only way > forward. Using the final model the Applicant has then performed a > non-parametric bootstrap (N=1000) to investigate i.a. robustness of the > model parameter estimates. > > From a non-scientific literature search (Google Scholar “NONMEM + PRIOR > + Bootstrap”) some examples show up where Bootstrap and PRIOR has been > combined. > > I’m curious about if any nm-user has investigated how much and in what > way the prior distribution of parameters affect the bootstrap estimates > (eg. 2.5^th , 50^th and 97.5^th percentiles)? I would guess that the > stronger the prior the more it would affect the outcome of a bootstrap. > Or is that a misconception? > > Cheers > > Jacob > > LV_Mac3 > > Medical Products Agency > > Jacob Brogren > Assessor > Efficacy and Safety 2 > > P.O. Box 26, SE-751 03 Uppsala, Sweden > Visiting address: Dag Hammarskjölds väg 42 > Phone: + 46 (0) 18 17 47 64, switchboard: + 46 (0) 18 17 46 00 > Mobile: + 46 (0) xxx xx xx, Fax: + 46 (0) 18 54 85 66 > www.lakemedelsverket.se http://www.lakemedelsverket.se
Dec 22, 2011 Brogren Jacob Bootstrap in combination with PRIOR?
Dec 22, 2011 Leonid Gibiansky Re: Bootstrap in combination with PRIOR?
Dec 22, 2011 Joseph Standing RE: Bootstrap in combination with PRIOR?
Dec 26, 2011 Juan Jose Perez Ruixo RE: Bootstrap in combination with PRIOR?