RE: PK and PD variability

From: Joseph Standing Date: March 11, 2011 technical Source: mail-archive.com
Dear Andreas, When you say you add IIV on dose, I'm not sure exactly what you mean but suggest you need to take a 2 step approach. In order to replicate variability in dose, you will need to simulate doses with variability, and then in a second step use these simulated doses to estimate the Emax model (note that merely putting IIV on dose during estimation will not force dose to vary in the way you want). You can then repeat this process with different dose variabilities to see how PD parameters change/whether it is worth trying to optimise formulation. BW, Joe
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________________________________ From: [email protected] [[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] [[email protected]] Sent: 11 March 2011 09:47 To: [email protected] Subject: [NMusers] PK and PD variability Dear group, I am currently analyzing some dose-response data for one of our drugs. A simple Emax model nicely described the dose-response relationship for the principal PD variable (a continuous measure). Unfortunately, no PK data was obtained from the subjects in the PD study. Since the variability in the PD measure was quite high (CV>80% placebo, CV>100% active treatment) and variability in the AUC from previous PK studies was also high (55%, mainly due to variable bioavailability), the question is if reducing the variability in F (better formulation) would also relevantly improve PD variability. I have tried the following: - Adding an ETA to dose in the Emax model with IIV fixed to 55%CV (IIV_ED50 reduced from 100% to 75%) - Use the resulting estimates (including IIV_ED50, IIV_Placebo, residual variability,[Emax was fixed]) to simulate the response for different values of IIV_dose - Calculate the overall variability of the response (Note, that residual variability was also pretty high (approx 100%CV)) The results suggested that the overall PD variability would only decrease very little by reducing variability in F. However, I am unsure if my approach is acceptable and would like to have some input from the group. Thanks in advance, Andreas. [cid:_1_0824135C08240F740035C369C1257850] Andreas Lindauer Pharmacokineticist Pharmacokinetics and Metabolism R&D Center. Ferrer Internacional S.A. Juan de Sada 32, 08028 Barcelona Tel +34 93 509 3265 Fax +34 93 411 2764 [email protected] www.ferrergrupo.com [cid:_1_08245470082450B40035C369C1257850] ¿Necesita imprimir este mensaje? Protejamos el medio ambiente. Li cal imprimir aquest missatge? Protegim el medi ambient. Do you need to print this message? Let's protect the environment. Este mensaje, y en su caso, cualquier fichero anexo al mismo, puede contener información confidencial, siendo para uso exclusivo del destinatario, quedando prohibida su divulgación, copia o distribución a terceros sin la autorización expresa del remitente. Si Vd. ha recibido este mensaje erróneamente, se ruega lo notifique al remitente y proceda a su borrado. Gracias por su colaboración. This message and its annexed files may contain confidential information which is exclusively for the use of the addressee. It is strictly forbidden to distribute copies to third parties without the explicit permission of the sender. If you receive this message by mistake, please notify it to the sender and make sure to delete it. Thank you for your kind cooperation. ******************************************************************************************************************** This message may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient please inform the sender that you have received the message in error before deleting it. Please do not disclose, copy or distribute information in this e-mail or take any action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Thank you for your co-operation. NHSmail is the secure email and directory service available for all NHS staff in England and Scotland NHSmail is approved for exchanging patient data and other sensitive information with NHSmail and GSi recipients NHSmail provides an email address for your career in the NHS and can be accessed anywhere For more information and to find out how you can switch, visit www.connectingforhealth.nhs.uk/nhsmail ******************************************************************************************************************** <<inline: ATT00001.gif>> <<inline: ATT00002.gif>>
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