Rational of using IOV

From: Buclin Thierry Date: November 01, 2010 technical Source: mail-archive.com
Hi Nicolas My short answer would be another question: "what is the aim of your analysis ?" IOV is fine to split variability into inter-individual, intra-individual-inter-occasion and intra-individual-intra-occasion random components. This is excellent for data description, and can bring interesting insight into the mechanisms explaining variability. But if you want to use your results for prediction, e.g. to devise a TDM program, you won't be able to draw relevant information from IOV: a blood sample obtained in a patient on a certain occasion won't inform you on your patient's behavior on another occasion; in this situation, a model merely distinguishing inter-individual and intra-individual variability components is easier to exploit. Thus, there may be good reasons not to use IOV even when it would be possible. Kind regards Thierry Thierry Buclin, MD, PD, Division of Clinical Pharmacology and Toxicology University Hospital of Lausanne (CHUV) Lausanne - SWITZERLAND tel +41 21 314 42 61 fax +41 21 314 42 66
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On 1/11/2010 10:53 a.m., Nicolas SIMON wrote: Dear colleagues, could someone give me an advice about the rational of using IOV in a particular circumstance? We have data from a clin trial with 3 occasions for each patient. It was a chemotherapy and the patients have received up to 7 cures. The issue is that the 3 occasions differ from one patient to another. Patient X may have be seen on cure 3, 5 and 7 while patient X+1 was seen on cure 2, 5 and 6 or whatever... It seems to me that combining the 1st occ of all patients is meaningless (as for 2nd and 3rd). Shall we use as many occasions as cures (7 in our dataset)? In that case, how many patients by occ is relevant as a minimum? For certain occ we may have few patients. Combining cures is hazardous and has no clinical justification. Best regards Nicolas Pr Nicolas SIMON Universite de la Mediterranee (Aix-Marseille II)
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