RE: Large Numbers of Compartments

From: Jurgen Bulitta Date: August 06, 2010 technical Source: mail-archive.com
Dear William, Three suggestions: 1) If you simulate out 5 vs. 10 vs. 20 transit compartments, the difference in how sharp a signal switches between 5 and 95% may or may not make a meaningful difference for your system. So, it may be worthwhile to limit the no. of transit compartments to 5 per process and this might get you below 100 comp. in total. 2) I have seen three colleagues using ADAPT5 (or ADAPT II rel. 4?) with a couple of hundred compartments using a pooled fit approach, as far as I remember. I have never reached this limit, however, am reasonably sure that ADAPT5 and S-ADAPT will handle such large systems with >100 differential equations in a nonlinear mixed-effects mode. David D'Argenio once told me that ADAPT has been built also to solve engineering problems of hundreds of diff. equations. The default number is S-ADAPT 1.56 is 120 compartments. This number can be increased in the globals.inc. 3) Your system is an ideal one to be parallelized, since solving those diff. eqs. will take a lot of time. The next release of NONMEM will do this for you. S-ADAPT has it implemented since a couple of years. Please let me know, if you like to try S-ADAPT. Best wishes Juergen
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Denney, William S. Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 3:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [NMusers] Large Numbers of Compartments Hello, I have a model where I will likely need between 130 and 150 compartments (it's a rich data set and many transit compartments, so it is probably estimable). When I was looking in SIZES, it indicated that the maximum number of compartments is 99; I was wondering if there is a way around this limitation? Alternatively, is there another tool that people would suggest that can handle mixed effects with a large number of diff eqs and dosing? Thanks, Bill Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck & Co., Inc. (One Merck Drive, Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA 08889), and/or its affiliates Direct contact information for affiliates is available at http://www.merck.com/contact/contacts.html) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete it from your system.
Aug 05, 2010 Bill Denney Large Numbers of Compartments
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