RE: NM VI and NMV gave different results

From: William Bachman Date: April 09, 2008 technical Source: mail-archive.com
Jian, It is probably not reasonable to expect that you can take the final run from a potentially long analysis using NONMEM V and expect it to generate the exact same results using NONMEM VI. There are many changes between V and VI and the predominant thinking is that it has changed for the better (faster and more stable). There are some cases where NONMEM V results may be different (even better) than NONMEM VI. This is not unreasonable given that it uses new algorithms. There are also some cases where you can replicate NONMEM V results with NONMEM VI if you use the SLOW estimation option. Your approach is similar to running an analysis without ever changing the initial estimates. It may take some logical adjustments to your model to get "good" estimates with NONMEM VI. Also, it might help if you showed the output from NONMEM VI and not just the control file. Bill _____
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jian Xu Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 11:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NMusers] NM VI and NMV gave different results Dear all, I did a Pop PK a year ago in NM V, and got a stable model and reasonable estimation. Recently, I tried to rerun the same code in NM VI (with latest patches from Metrum) . The results are huge different. Some p-values for Eta from NM VI are even significant. I really want to know what the real difference is between NM VI and NM V. I appreciate any help or reference. Thanks in advance. Jian Below is the control stream for your consideration: $PROB 2CM $DATA DATA.CSV IGNORE=# $INPUT ID AMT TIME CON=DV MDV FST $SUBROUTINES ADVAN4 TRANS4 $PK V2=THETA(1)*EXP(ETA(1)) ; VOLUME OF CENTRAL V3=THETA(2)*EXP(ETA(2)) ; VOLUME OF PERIPHERAL CL=THETA(3)*EXP(THETA(7)*ETA(1)) ; CLEARANCE Q =THETA(4)*EXP(ETA(3)) ; DISTRIBUTION CLEARANCE IF (FST.EQ.1) THEN KA=THETA(5)*EXP(ETA(4)) ; ABSORPTION RATE CONSTANT FOR FASTED ELSE KA=THETA(6)*EXP(ETA(5)) ; ABSORPTION RATE CONSTANT FOR FED END IF S2=V2 $ERROR Y=F*(1+EPS(1)) $THETA (0,150) ;V2_F (0,200) ;V3_F (0,6) ;CL_F (0,50) ;Q_F (0,0.5) ;KA (0,0.2) ;KA (0,1) ;CL_V Correlation $OMEGA 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 $SIGMA 0.04 $ESTIMATION SIG=3 MAX=5000 PRINT=10 METHOD=1 INTER NOABORT $COVARIANCE $TABLE ID TIME NOPRINT FILE=BASE &&&&&&&&&& &GO GATORS! & &&&&&&&&&& __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _____ No viruses found in this incoming message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 http://www.iolo.com http://www.iolo.com/iav/iavpop3 _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 http://www.iolo.com