RE: Absorption
Adithya,
Let the data tell you what model to use/try. Below are things that I
personally looked at before or I've seen colleagues of mine at SPRI try:
Look at linearity of Cmax and AUC (from noncompartmental data). Based on
your description, Cmax is ~ 3-6 folds less than what you expect from
dose proportionality. Does AUC behave the same way? if yes, then your
issue is in F (bioavailability) and may be also absorption rate (ka). If
AUC is linear but Cmax is not then it's an absorption rate issue and not
bioavailability.
If the issue is with rates only, play with Ka (saturable absorption,
different ka with dose (if not an issue), etc).
If the issue is Cmax and AUC with the same magnitude, then you have to
look for a model describing nonlinear F and may be V/F.
If the nonlinearity issue is in Cmax and AUC at different magnitude,
most likely you'll have to have nonlinear models on both F and ka.
Look at tmax, does it shift from e.g. 1hr to 3hr going from lower to
higher doses. Do the PK profiles (at higher doses) look like ones with a
sustained release formulation? Do the peaks for those profiles look more
"flat" compared to the ones at lower doses?
If tmax shifts, you may have gastric emptying/GI transit time playing a
role and you may have to add a time dependency in ka and/or F in
addition to the combined zero/first order models.
Simpler things to try include:
Look at individual V and Cl values, sort by dose group, do you see a
trend? if yes, then you know that NonMem is trying to force the
nonlinearity on V and Cl instead of F and ka:
One thing that a colleague of mine tried at SPRI and worked for him: Fix
V and this will force nonmem to recognize the differences in F and/or ka
between dose groups.
Regards,
Malaz
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Adithya Muralidharan
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 5:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [NMusers] Absorption
Thanks all for replying.
Murad,
I did try to model the effect of dose on bioavailability. I assumed that
the lower doses have a bioavailability of 1 and tried calculating the
bioavailability of higher doses relative to the lower doses. I also
added this effect on absorption rate constant. But the model
predictability at higher doses did not improve much.
I haven't tried an effect of dose as a covariate on volume of
distribution or absorption rate constant, i will try that out.
Stephen,
I tried using saturable absorption as an nonlinear absorption model,
Vmax*A(gut)/Km+A(gut) so at higher doses this becomes zero order and at
lower doses this becomes Vmax/Km *A(gut). This did not help me much. I
was still over predicting the concentrations leading to Cmax by three-6
folds in higher dose groups.
Thanks
Adithya
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