RE: PK analysis of data from different occasions

From: Toufigh Gordi Date: July 31, 2007 technical Source: mail-archive.com
Hej Havard, I agree with David that you are much better off with a model that includes all your data. I think the idea of modeling is to be able to explain the whole system and not just a part of it. It seems that you have some changes from one occasion to another. The logical procedure would be to come up with a hypothesis to explain the reasons for the observed change. Adding variability terms might improve the fit but the real question is why there are such big variations between the occasions that your structural model changes from one day to another. I am not dismissing the idea of estimating IIV or IOVs (inter occasional variability). This might very well be real and due to e.g. intake of food on one day and no food on another day. However, if you think your compound changes its own duration of absorption (e.g. through a change in gastric motility), changes its own extent of absorption (e.g. inducing or inhibiting gut wall or liver enzymes), or affects its own elimination, you should add it in your structural model. There are several publications readily available that deal with these types of changes. The problem you might face could insufficient data due to e.g. non-optimal study design. Ha det! Toufigh
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-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Havard Thogersen Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 7:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NMusers] PK analysis of data from different occasions Dear nmusers, I'm working on an PK analysis of a data set in NONMEM and have run into some questions. I would really appreciate if any of you have the chance to give me some suggestions. The data set I'm analyzing consist of concentration-time profiles obtained at three different occasions for every subject (n=20). Non-compartmental analysis and individual modeling indicate changes in CL/F between the occasions, possibly explained by renal function. If I analyze the occasions separately, a two-compartment model describes the data well at occasions 2 and 3, but not at occasion 1. At occasion 1 large inter-individual variation is observed and a one-compartment model can to some degree describe the data. If I analyze all occasions simultaneously with between-occasion variation, a one-compartment model is able to fit the data reasonably well (two-compartment model is not considered robust). The parameter estimates are in the right ball park, but GOF plots from the simultaneous analysis indicate model misspecification typical for a one-compartment model fit of "two-compartment data". My question is therefore how I should proceed? Will separate or simultaneous modeling be most ideal and what should I consider to get most relevant information? Best regards, Havard Havard Thogersen, Master student University of Oslo/Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center Pediatric Pharmacology Research Unit and Laboratory of Applied Pharmacokinetics & TDM Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center 3333 Burnet Avenue, MLC 6018 Cincinnati, OH 45229-3039 Phone: (513) 636-9011
Jul 31, 2007 Havard Thogersen PK analysis of data from different occasions
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