Re: [Fwd: CLIN PHAR STAT: Mixed Vs Fixed]

From: Lewis B. Sheiner Date: August 09, 2000 technical Source: cognigencorp.com
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:48:43 -0700 From: LSheiner <lewis@c255.ucsf.edu> Subject: Re: [Fwd: CLIN PHAR STAT: Mixed Vs Fixed] Nick Holford wrote: > > Stephen, > > Stephen Senn wrote: > > > > I am very ignorant on PK/PD but the analogy here would seem to > > be not in the number of patients but in the number of > > measurements per patient. In this context, there may be a bias in > > variance estimation and associated inferential statistics (CI, P- > > values (ugh!) etc) for sparse sampling. However, it depends on the > > way you set the model up. If you impose a common residual > > variance for each patient then the problem largely disappears. > > It seemed to me that Mats had suggested a solution to this problem which > was to explicitly use a DIFFERENT residual variance for each patient. > The usual NONMEM model assumes a common residual error for each patient. > What do you think the consequences of using different residual error for > each patient might be? > What Mats suggests is to use a random effect on the residual eror - this means that you think of the error variance as being different for each person, but just like individual random effects ("etas" to us), this does not add a degree of freedom for each indivdiual, but only one df in total, for the estimated variance (of the variances). LBS. -- _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Lewis B Sheiner, MD (lewis@c255.ucsf.edu) _/ _/ _/ _/_ _/_/ Professor: Lab. Med., Bioph. Sci., Med. _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Box 0626, UCSF, SF, CA, 94143-0626 _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/ 415-476-1965 (v), 415-476-2796 (fax)
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